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Post by capricorngirl on Dec 25, 2006 15:44:23 GMT -8
Hi Ladies! I too, prefer Martin with a slightly rounder face. I wonder if, although he has definitely lost alot of weight, he is healthy. I know he looks alot thinner. I am worried about his health and if he is not sick and putting up a good front? I thought the whole point of being with the SB girl was because she was his hairdresser and a healthnut. She was supposed to help him overcome his drinking . According to Cralle and some others that were at the DJ set, he had a shot of alcohol and drank beer. It is not for me to judge, I am just concerned as anyone would be, who truly loves him. I know Mart likes to have his way and not be questioned, but he's still thin and sickly looking. I wouldn't care, if It were not for the many medicines he is on. These should not be mixed with alcohol and he knows this! My poor baby, I hope he has not just given up and decided to drink no matter what.
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 25, 2006 16:22:01 GMT -8
OMG, capri, what kind of medicine is he on??? Just when I thought I had no reason to worry about Martin's health.... I really hope my baby is okay... You say he drank beer that night... But did he get drunk? I know it would be better for him to stop drinking altogether, but I think that if he just has a couple of drinks, it's not that bad. Oh man, now I'm getting worried again... When is he finally gonna be happy?? I mean, he's got a successful career, beautiful children, a girlfriend ... What more does he need??
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 25, 2006 18:43:24 GMT -8
Okay, I payed a little visit to the official DM board (I always feel extremely uncomfortable going there because I hate Brat with a passion, he's always been so arrogant and disrespectful to members, and from what I can see, not much has changed... ), and I read the thread concerning Martin's DJ gig. Apparently, he was doing great and was in a good mood, so that's kind of a relief for me Now capri I really don't mean to contradict you, but one of the fans who went mentioned that he didn't drink. Maybe he did, but not enough to make it noteworthy. I'm feeling a little better now, I have to say Oh and by the way, Brat said that Martin wishes people would actually DANCE at his DJ sets instead of just staring at him I mean, HELLO! You're Martin Gore, of course people are gonna stare! I know I would.... ;D ;D
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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 25, 2006 19:24:56 GMT -8
I'd try really hard not to. I certainly don't want to look like those girls and make my Marty annoyed. If you act like he's regular then you might catch his eye. ;D
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 25, 2006 19:27:35 GMT -8
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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 25, 2006 19:31:45 GMT -8
Now we want Marty to plump up again. I'm telling you, he's our doll.
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 25, 2006 19:35:48 GMT -8
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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 25, 2006 19:40:27 GMT -8
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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 25, 2006 19:41:24 GMT -8
I love tanned Marty but without the hat. He needs his beautiful golden curls to go with his nice little tan. Remember, Mart tans very easily. EDIT: did I say "tan" enough?
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 25, 2006 19:46:03 GMT -8
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Post by capricorngirl on Dec 26, 2006 8:19:33 GMT -8
Hello Ladies, I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas! TO answer your concersns as best I know how. Martinstinygirl, Mart was seen by Cralle, and and one or two others who were also at the recent DJ set. Cralle is the darkish blonde haired guy in the black leather jacket with glasses. The site is the old EW3 called, "HOME", now. He says Mart, had one shot of some kind of alcohol, and at least one beer afterward. So it does not contradict me, for you to say other fans didn't say he was drinking. Cralle goes to the DJ set every year, and he even said that last year Mart was more sociable and hung out more last year after the set was over. This year the SB girl was up under him. I know she was there last year too, but she was not his girlfriend yet, just a friend. This is just his observation and not a fact. As for medications, If any of you have read the biographies, you know that Martin has both seizures and blackouts, they are mentioned in ALL of the biographies! He takes anti seizure medicine. Anti seizure medicines are very strong and effect the brain chemicals, called neuro transmitters. This is a delicate balance, the slightest amount of alcohol can throw off the balance and the medicines are not as effective. This is because the alcohol receptors in the brain, and one of the neuro transmitters called "Acetylcholine" can both be effected by the medicine used to supress the Seizures. If alcohol is present then there is less medication to go to the receptors for which it was intended. The medicine is designed to block the acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is involved in muscle action,arousal, attention memory and movement. Too much acetylcholine is linked to tremors,spasms. Too little is linked to paralysis. Sorry for the biology lesson, but this is a delicate balance that even a small amount of alcohol can effect. I had a thread on the old BC board once, to explain my stance and it grew alot of negative attentnion with people who drank and criticized me for talking about Mart's drinking. So I digress here. There is nothing wrong with drinking if you have no serious medical or health issues. I was just , as always concerned with the mixture of Mart's medication with alcohol. This post is not to judge Mart but just clarify my knowledge that he drank that night, and the effect it could possibly have on a person who had a seizure disorder. I hope this helps.
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 26, 2006 11:04:36 GMT -8
Well I knew about his seizures, but I didn't know it was a recurrent thing and that he had to be on medication for it... Someone really has to teach that man to take better care of himself... right, Adelle?
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Post by Galadriel on Dec 26, 2006 11:19:36 GMT -8
Hello Ladies, I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas! TO answer your concersns as best I know how. Martinstinygirl, Mart was seen by Cralle, and and one or two others who were also at the recent DJ set. Cralle is the darkish blonde haired guy in the black leather jacket with glasses. The site is the old EW3 called, "HOME", now. He says Mart, had one shot of some kind of alcohol, and at least one beer afterward. So it does not contradict me, for you to say other fans didn't say he was drinking. Cralle goes to the DJ set every year, and he even said that last year Mart was more sociable and hung out more last year after the set was over. This year the SB girl was up under him. I know she was there last year too, but she was not his girlfriend yet, just a friend. This is just his observation and not a fact. As for medications, If any of you have read the biographies, you know that Martin has both seizures and blackouts, they are mentioned in ALL of the biographies! He takes anti seizure medicine. Anti seizure medicines are very strong and effect the brain chemicals, called neuro transmitters. This is a delicate balance, the slightest amount of alcohol can throw off the balance and the medicines are not as effective. This is because the alcohol receptors in the brain, and one of the neuro transmitters called "Acetylcholine" can both be effected by the medicine used to supress the Seizures. If alcohol is present then there is less medication to go to the receptors for which it was intended. The medicine is designed to block the acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is involved in muscle action,arousal, attention memory and movement. Too much acetylcholine is linked to tremors,spasms. Too little is linked to paralysis. Sorry for the biology lesson, but this is a delicate balance that even a small amount of alcohol can effect. I had a thread on the old BC board once, to explain my stance and it grew alot of negative attentnion with people who drank and criticized me for talking about Mart's drinking. So I digress here. There is nothing wrong with drinking if you have no serious medical or health issues. I was just , as always concerned with the mixture of Mart's medication with alcohol. This post is not to judge Mart but just clarify my knowledge that he drank that night, and the effect it could possibly have on a person who had a seizure disorder. I hope this helps. Hi Capricorn, I for my part had a very peace- and joyful Christmas. Unfortunatly I'll have to work again tomorrow. I really don't understand Martin's behaviour. If I had seizures I'd be probably so scared that it might happen again, that I wouldn't dare to drink only one drop of alcohol. At least he drank less than on the European tour leg in Germany. I wonder if he's able to control his drinking. I must be hard for Adelle. As a health nut she probably wants him to stop him completely. One last question: Do this seizures have something to do with Parkinson?
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Post by capricorngirl on Dec 26, 2006 12:06:57 GMT -8
He Gala! To answer your question about Parkinson's disease, Dopamine, the neurotransmitter ( brain chemical) is known to effect neurons associated with voluntary movement, learning memory and emotions. The symptoms of Parkinson's disease, tremors, muscle spasms and rigidity, have been traced to loss of the brain cells that produce dopamine. However there are many causes of seizures and seizure disorder. There are even seizures associated with alcohol withdrawal. Mart was known to even have blackouts, very early on in his life. Vince said the first time he met Mart he was on his way to Mart's house and found him laying on the ground covered in his own vomit. He had passed out or had a black out from drinking so much according to VInce. Blackouts brought on by drinking are common in alot of people. You can have them and not be prone to seizures. They are different yet people with seizure disorders are more likely to have black outs and are more sensitive to the effects of alcohol. I cannot say what causes Mart's seizures, there are several neuro transmitters involved, GABA, is another transmitter that plays an important role. A specific work up and labs would need to be done, to try to pinpoint the causes. Sometimes there is more than one cause. Gala I did notice during the " Surrender" Easter Egg from One Night in Paris, DVD that when Mart was at the mirror he appeared to have a trembling hand. I don't know what the cause is. Maybe just nerves. I do agree with your above post, You are always on the same page with my thoughts! I do read between the lines and know what you mean!
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 26, 2006 12:21:36 GMT -8
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