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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 26, 2006 12:31:45 GMT -8
Poor Marty. He needs kisses.... and hugs..... and I'll do it, I'll do it.
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 26, 2006 12:45:18 GMT -8
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Post by capricorngirl on Dec 26, 2006 12:59:15 GMT -8
Martinstinygirl, Don't fret, Sweetheart Although I doubt it's Parkinson's, none of us really knows.... THere are similarities with the symptoms but again I state, it could be any number of things or both. The one thing that may mean it is not Parkinson's, is the early onset of the blackouts and seizures in Mart. Although you can be young and show signs of Parkinson's like the actor, Michael J. Fox, who now has full blown Parkinson's disease. Parkinson's disease is easily diagnosed. All they do is a blood test to see what the levels of Dopamine are in the blood. Even though my background in in Psychology/law enforcement and my loves are physics and astronomy, I am not a medical doctor. I have had many classes in developmental psychology, and closely related biological factors, but am not an expert. I give my opinion based on general medical facts, and knowledge. Mart's own doctor will be, we pray, making choices and advising him. It is Mart's actions in the end, that will be the determining factor in how well he deals with his Seizures/Blackouts.
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 26, 2006 13:39:19 GMT -8
Martinstinygirl, Don't fret, Sweetheart Although I doubt it's Parkinson's, none of us really knows.... THere are similarities with the symptoms but again I state, it could be any number of things or both. The one thing that may mean it is not Parkinson's, is the early onset of the blackouts and seizures in Mart. Although you can be young and show signs of Parkinson's like the actor, Michael J. Fox, who now has full blown Parkinson's disease. Parkinson's disease is easily diagnosed. All they do is a blood test to see what the levels of Dopamine are in the blood. Even though my background in in Psychology/law enforcement and my loves are physics and astronomy, I am not a medical doctor. I have had many classes in developmental psychology, and closely related biological factors, but am not an expert. I give my opinion based on general medical facts, and knowledge. Mart's own doctor will be, we pray, making choices and advising him. It is Mart's actions in the end, that will be the determining factor in how well he deals with his Seizures/Blackouts. Wow capri, I'm really impressed by your knowledge of medical issues But you're absolutely correct, in the end, it's Martin's behavior and choices that will determine how healthy he is, and frankly, that's what scares me the most, because Martin's penchant for alcohol and all the stress he's been through might have serious repercussions on his health in the future. I know someone who has a drinking problem, and if there's one thing i've learned from all this is that people usually drink to numb their pain. And I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what Martin is trying to do. I know I shouldn't worry so much about him, but I just want my baby to be happy and healthy...
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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 26, 2006 13:58:54 GMT -8
It seems to me by what I've read that he has cut back on drinking so that can only be good for him. I doubt he would have been able to quit cold turkey. Alcohol has always been a big part of him, unfortunately. As long as he's starting to take better care of himself I'm happy.
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 26, 2006 14:24:38 GMT -8
Well said, Sylvia
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Post by capricorngirl on Dec 26, 2006 14:58:36 GMT -8
Hi Sweetheart! In fact you are right quiting cold turkey is not a good option. It could make things worse and bring on a seizure due to withdrawal. I said a long time ago, last year, that clinical help and hospitalization is the most likely route. When one or more prescription medications are involved, and a history of seizures and blackouts are known, any one of these factors would warrant being in a clinic to undergo treatment and therapy. Perhaps if the SB girl had put her foot down, and insisted that she wouldn't be with him unless he got this type of help, we would have a different outcome. I don't blame her, the choice is ultimately Mart's however, I do know he admires the fact that she is not a party-girl and as he calls her, is a "healthnut". I had hoped that her healthy lifestyle would rub off on him. Maybe in some ways it has. At one point he seemed to have stopped drinking. It's not easy to stay sober after so many years in pain. My Heart goes out to him. I wish me and Nargis, Gala, and Velvet could get ahold of him and talk some sense into him and force him to listen. I would take a completely different approach. Eastern medicine practices and a trip to India would do him good. There are many clinics there, where not only would he receive the proper medical help and monitoring; He would also get herbal medicines and be taught meditation and be given a special diet. There would be available to him, the necessary spiritual and psychological counseling needed to make what he learned, a part of his everyday life. This is essential for when he returned home. This is what I would advise him. I 'm sure Gala can add more facts once she see's the post......... Her knowledge on the subject is quite extensive. edited for my terrible spelling!
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Dec 26, 2006 23:28:19 GMT -8
hello girls! I wish Merry Chrismas to everyone of you! I should say that i love very much this board but one thing is always inconvenient for me - i dont recieve notifications by e-mail about some theads renewing and always miss such interesting discussions! I just want to say something on this topic and his recent dj-set... most of you, Gorettes, know my attitude to this person, many of you guess the level of my love to him... but... dont kill me girls, i also have seen the pictures from his last dj set, and after watching them, i got numbed! he is really UGLY on them!!! (i know it can hurt most of you) too skinny, too sickly, too old!!! as if he totally dried up and lost all his juices!!!! he is just 45 yars old, girls!!! but who will say, looking at those photos??? what the hell this f*cking hairdresser\yoga addict\healthnut and so on has done with him? ? just for several months, he became an old shrimp!!!!! just compare, just remember his pictures of almost one year!!! he was beautiful!!! he was sexy attractive fleshy man!!! but now... he is awful... and my heart is aching seeing it... i dont know what is the reason of his weght loss, all this medical stuff Capri knows better that me..., but i see what i see... his tinness is not normal, imo... and i can prove Capri's words about he had shot of alchohol and something like that as i saw at one of those picture he held in his hand a bocal.. but it hardly looked like a beer, more like some cocktail... of course this fucking BRAT totally controls his board and one can say only positive things on it! otherwise one, who dares to compromise good image of the band members, could be banned without explanations! all we know about it... ... and i guess, many of you know what i think about his Adell!!! i could pour on her tonnes of trash but i will not do this as i should keep PC rules accepted in your society... and its not my fucking business at all, i realize it... but i can say just one thing... it's a law - that when a man usually has happy relationships with some woman, who really loves and cares for him, he is becoming more and more young, more attractive, more beautiful! and never opposite!!! but Mart is got worse!!! yes, he lost his weght but its not healthy loss... it definately doesnt fit him... and his eyes... he 's got the eyes of old man!!! i want to post here some pictures when he looked like an angel, just to remind you... now, while seeing them, i think as if there are two absolutely different persons... now and then... (though not so much time has passed since there... ) sorry ladies for my post, but i couldnt keep it in myself any longer...
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Post by sweetlittlemarty on Dec 27, 2006 3:56:04 GMT -8
Maybe I was too hasty with the statement Martin looks better when he's thinner. But he really looked better in the pics Nargis posted here, especially in the last one. He should have stopped his diet then. Hmm... I still beleive it was not the loose of weight, but the tan ruins everything! Do you really think the problem is so serious? I was shocked by Capri's comments. I have never thought Martin had so serious diseases. And the vomition part... Who the hell can imagine this? I knew about one of his seizures during the making of the In Your Room video, and that's all, but I thought he's ok. (I'm not quite sure Martin has got Parkinson's disease, if he had, how would he play on instuments? Maybe he was in a fever during the performance of Surrender...)
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Dec 27, 2006 5:53:18 GMT -8
dear girls! i'm not a doctor, but i'm almost sure it's not Parkinson! every desease has its simptoms and i can hardly state that Mart has any of them... first of all the Parkinson mostly develops among persons who involved with sports or very active pshysical life style.. it can be caused be some trauma mostly on head... first danderous feature of parkinson desease is head shaking or trembling, imo... and then hands... i have many videos, when Mart is giving an interview and he is absolutely calm on them, no any head or hands trembling... Mart is true genious and he is suffering from deseases peculiar to genious men! almost all extremely talented and gifted people suffered from various kinds of seizures... Mart has more mental desease, imo... something like epileptic seizures... it s all concern with his brain, not body, imo...(though should read about Parkinson desease more.... ) but this is just my opinion... maybe i'm not right.... no, anyway, i'm not sure that this is Parkinson....
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Post by Galadriel on Dec 27, 2006 8:47:17 GMT -8
Hi Sweetheart! In fact you are right quiting cold turkey is not a good option. It could make things worse and bring on a seizure due to withdrawal. I said a long time ago, last year, that clinical help and hospitalization is the most likely route. When one or more prescription medications are involved, and a history of seizures and blackouts are known, any one of these factors would warrant being in a clinic to undergo treatment and therapy. Perhaps if the SB girl had put her foot down, and insisted that she wouldn't be with him unless he got this type of help, we would have a different outcome. I don't blame her, the choice is ultimately Mart's however, I do know he admires the fact that she is not a party-girl and as he calls her, is a "healthnut". I had hoped that her healthy lifestyle would rub off on him. Maybe in some ways it has. At one point he seemed to have stopped drinking. It's not easy to stay sober after so many years in pain. My Heart goes out to him. I wish me and Nargis, Gala, and Velvet could get ahold of him and talk some sense into him and force him to listen. I would take a completely different approach. Eastern medicine practices and a trip to India would do him good. There are many clinics there, where not only would he receive the proper medical help and monitoring; He would also get herbal medicines and be taught meditation and be given a special diet. There would be available to him, the necessary spiritual and psychological counseling needed to make what he learned, a part of his everyday life. This is essential for when he returned home. This is what I would advise him. I 'm sure Gala can add more facts once she see's the post......... Her knowledge on the subject is quite extensive. edited for my terrible spelling! Hi Capricorn, to confirm you posting I just wanted to add that in the traditional Indian medicine called Ayurveda, spiritual healing is essential. Meditation, Mantra-Chanting, certain herbs and detoxication methods are combined to a very effective therapy. As a matter of fact Ayurveda is able to heal diseases which ordinary medicine can not (short-sightedness for example). Sometimes both methods are combined. I think Martin is drinking because he has no spiritual goal or purpose in life. Hedonism isn't enough to make you happy. Sounds a little bit like sunday school, doesn't it? I think Ms. Santa Barbara isn't the worst choice. It would be far worse if he had a girl friend who'd just join him in drinking.
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Post by Martinstinygirl on Dec 27, 2006 9:03:41 GMT -8
Okay, so we all agree on two things: Martin didn't look his best at his DJ set, and he should really take better care of himself. And you're right, Darkest Goth: love is supposed to make you look better and younger, not the opposite. However, as much as I'd like to put all the blame on Adelle for not being able to make Martin happy, I truly believe that when you don't love yourself, it's really hard to love someone and be happy in a relationship. Of course, I don't know Martin personnally, and none of us really knows what's going on in that pretty head of his, but i'm afraid Martin has a lot of issues he just refuses to work out, and from what I can see, they're slowly taking their toll on his body. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it, (believe me, if I could, I'd take the first flight to Santa Barbara just to take him in my arms and tell him that everything's gonna be just fine), so all we can do is pray that Martin really did cut back on his drinking and that the way he looked at his DJ gig won't last forever. After all, everyone has a bad day, now and then, right? So, what i'm trying to say here is that just like the rest of you girls, I love Martin with all my heart and I only want him to be happy. But if you don't mind, I would like to end this discussion because not only is it seriously bumming me out but I wouldn't want this conversation to get ugly, it's a very touchy subject, and since none of us really knows what's going on in Martin's life, I think it would be best if we could just let it go. Plus, we have to remember that this is a picture thread... Please don't hate me girls , I can assure you that I'm not trying to pull a Brat here...
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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 27, 2006 10:15:14 GMT -8
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Post by Galadriel on Dec 27, 2006 10:17:39 GMT -8
I'd agree that everything has been said on this issue.
However I've got a different opinion concerning discussions getting ugly.
We were not discussing Martin's relationship with Adelle we were discussing his health and issues that were published in his biography. These things are facts and not gossip.
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Post by ultra blue dress on Dec 27, 2006 10:19:38 GMT -8
That's fine but we can discuss it in the "Marty Talk" section instead of the Gallery section. I don't mind chatter between pictures but long discussions belong in the Marty Talk area, ok girls?
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